Tuesday, October 7, 2008

Response to State Times Article

Response to a State Times Article, reproduced again on a Blog

"Statetimes, a Jammu daily reports on the selection list of CET for MBBS, BDS, BVSc this year, “Take, for example, the share of non-Muslims in MBBS select list. Out of total of 290 seats, 93 have gone to the non-Muslims, including Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists and Kashmiri Hindus. That means their share is a paltry 32 per cent. As for their share in open merit, it is 33 out of a total of 125 seats.In other words, it is just 12.5 per cent. Should it be taken to mean that non-Muslim aspirants are simply incompetent? They are not. In fact, they are exceptionally bright. Paradoxically, the share of the Muslim youth of Jammu is even less.Their number is not more than 25 and most of them have got selected under certain categories, including those belonging to the Scheduled Tribe. As for the selection of the Muslim aspirants under the open category, it is almost zero. The plight of the Muslim youth belonging to Kargil is no different. They have got only a couple of seats and that too under one category or the other”.
Discriminatory attitude is being extended at every step despite the growing resentment of the Jammu region. Any listeners?"

Response:

Of the combined population of two regions, Jammu region accounts for 31% and Kashmir for 69%. So, any person with basic logic and reasoning would agree that on an equitable basis, the distribution of seats should be in the ratio of 31:69 and not 50:50.
93 out of 290 seats means 32% which is 3 seats more than the fair value of 90 (31% of 290)
Again, in open merit 33 out of 125 seats is 26.4 % and not 12.5% (Mind your numbers!!!), which are again only a few seats less than the fair value of 38.

“Paradoxically, the share of the Muslim youth of Jammu is even less.”
It is no paradox, it is a logical representation of numbers. Since the population of muslims in Jammu is less, their number in the list is also less.
For seeing the real paradox, please click here

10 comments:

Anonymous said...

First, thanks for getting into the discussion. Your calculations presumably are based on the census of 2001. You must realise that the same is a rigged census. Please see a writeup in the jammuregion.wordpress.com blog titled "Delimitation: Not now" in which the facts have been clarified. We should focus on the facts rather than involve ourselves in mudslinging. But your participation is always welcome. These are the ways where the gaps could be bridged. And also understand that to fight for ones rights is not a wrong policy, they may be your rights or ours. best wishes.

Anonymous said...

Dear Jammu Region Alias Mr. Mahesh Sharma,
Who had done that census which you claim was wrong? Kashmiris?
Both the censuses were conducted by India and if you can challenge the credibility of one version of the same agency, you dont have any locus standi to support another version. Moreover, you are asking me to use a 27 year old census rather than a 7 year old census.

For your satisfaction, I have traced the 1981 Census also. There is a marginal difference. The ratio is 35:65 (34.65 Lacs for Jammu Districts & 63.19 Lacs for Kashmir Districts). You may rework the table for your satisfaction but if you see the variance from the fair value it is more than 30-40% in most of the variables analysed. The variance of your census is only 4%. I dont think it helps your point.

With whatever best data I had, I have only tried to analyse without making any judgements. It is for readers like you to use your mind for creating a sound opinion.

Anonymous said...

Dear Jammu Region, I have seen your Leela Karan's lies. Here is the response:

My dear friend. I think Mr. Leela Karan Sharma is trying to create a false propaganda on baseless facts. Population growth of 60/70 even 90%. Do you ever question what you see.
Population of Kupwara has fallen from 5.75 Lacs in 1951 to 5.49 Lacs in 1981. Anantnag’s has come down from 11.13 Lacs to 10.96 Lacs.
My dear firend please access Planning Commission’s Demographic Development Report on J&K at http://planningcommission.nic.in/plans/stateplan/sdr_jandk/sdr_jkch2.pdf

It has got district-wise distribution of population from 1951 up to 2001.

Saying that the facts given by Mr Leela Karan are grossly incorrect would certainly be an understatement.

Anonymous said...

Dear friend (sorry, it is difficult for me to figure out your name and I respect your choice to remain anonymous), the population of Jammu region as per the 1981 census was 2718113, that of Kashmir 3134904 and of Ladakh 134372. That makes Jammu 45.4%, Kashmir 52.4% and Ladakh 2.2%. We shall appreciate a reworking of the statistics. Regards.

Anonymous said...

Please see the Planning Commission Report http://planningcommission.nic.in/plans/stateplan/sdr_jandk

Now calculate the population for Kashmir by adding Kupwara, Baramullah, Badgam, Srinagar, Pulwama, Anantnag, Doda Poonch and Rajouri. For Jammu add Jammu, Kathua and Udhampur.

If you have a better source than Planning Commission of India, do enlighten me.

Anonymous said...

Dear friend, i think your stats on population are not correct. Please check them. The planning comm stats somehow do not reflect the actual population of the areas.
Regarding Kupwara, one of the most beautiful areas of generally unexplored Kashmir, the population has gone down. The reasons may be heavy militant activity and its repercussions but i agree it is a sad situation.
regards

Anonymous said...

Now you tell us about your ulterior motives. Since when Doda, Rajouri and Poonch have become parts of Kashmir. You are no better than the politicians and it seems we all have wasted time discussing on your ill conceived notions.

Anonymous said...

Planning Commission is the authority for any or every such data in India. It is on these numbers that any and every fund/resource allocation is made to states. Even if it is wrong (Which is highly impossible), my friend, then your point helps only my cause not yours. If you think Kupwara population should be more than it is shown, then again you are making a point against your stand, and against the stand of Mr. Leela Karan Sharma.

I hope you devote some time to fact-finding first and then form and propagate an opinion.

Anonymous said...

What is the basis you use to differentiate between Kashmir province & Jammu Province? Is it demography, geography or is it simply political or even worse just random?

Anonymous said...

You might not be a regular reader, but whenever you make any tables, or quote any figures, you have to quote the source. The table has been made my me and it has no where been stated that the table has been picked up from the planning commission site. Never mind, probably you didnt learn that at school.

Coming to your enumeration of districts, I fail to understand what you have written. Can you please write correct english?