Free Jammu: "whats with this blogger from the valley?he really seems to overwhelmed by having witnessed snowfall,having worn a firan,or having eaten waazwan and all that balderdash.Well there are a few other things also that he should identify his goodself and his valley with,may be he should also seek pride in the ethnic cleansing and the jihad ,the terrorism that kashmir is so synonymous with, may be he should also understand that if at all there are any aboriginals of and from the valley, it is only the kashmiri pandits rest are all invaders,who came and settled there!and as far as wearing a firan goes,who the hell wants to wear that smelly old rug,which reminds of nothing but anachronism. "
Jammu United: "What’s with this blogger from the valley,he really seems to be a connoisseur (though a self proclaimed one,like most of these kashmiris!)all so full of logic and data,well i hope that somewhere in there he also has a small(if at all!) mention of the rather abysmal exit of the kashmiri hindus, the aboriginal kashmiris(rest are all non state subjects!!), hope he also has a data regarding the temples that have been desecrated in the valley, hope he is also aware of the fact that it was his kashmiri brethen who opposed installation of mahatama gandhi’s(symbol of tolerance and peace across the globe) statue in the kashmir high court, but all so gladly accept gandhi in their pockets!!hope somewhere in his data he also has this mention of the plight of his kashmiri brethen in the pak occupied kashmir,and not to talk of mohajirs,the balochs etc. who are so proud to be a part pakistan that all so magnanimous,purely islamic country!"
Blogger-Jammu: "dear blogger kashmir
Since you people are so intelligent to our facts..please let us know your utlimate aims?Why are you so busy correcting/cleasing/misinterpretating general knowlwdge.In all aspects you have 3 options:
1. Stay with us, i.e. INDIA.we`ve all ways treated you like our misbehaved/rotten brothers. We`ll continue to feed you with essential commodities, food supplies, money, central packages, developmemtal work etc. ( All for our motherland HINDUSTAN)
2. Fight with us, leave us and goto the Mighty Pakisthan - the country with ISLAMIC rules. We would be more than happy to see our rotten brother happy. But come to think of it, how and where would you sell those apples, those shawls, those carvings, or nights at dal lake? whom? i bet pakishan with its poor poor people would be more than willing to pay.Fact: pak population 144 million.Poverty rate 35%Ref: CIA Factbook.I`m sure how big a buying power Pakistan is. BIG BIG Industrialised economy of pak.
3. BE independent of INDIA & Pakistan. - This one is a real joke.
If you are independent of us, then:you get no subsidised essentials, no telecom, no tax breaks, no cheap food, no cheap labour, no access to our vast capital base, no army protection, amogst others.China, a dictatorship, is more than willing to attck u, to show its superamacy in the region. Pak, with nothin to show off really, would still try n attack, to salvage pride.kashmir would be the worlds biggest terrorist school, a haven for al quidas and SIMIs..America would be more than willing to attck and invade you. The best base america can get, seeing the approxmity with CHINDIA.
So, while u decide, i`ll have to get back to work, as you are my liability rite now, if i dont earn, how you get subsidised food, great rail, air, road connect, huge central packages, subsidies for haj ..etc…etc.."
Anonymous: "Kashmirs are the most intelligent people in the world. Fact: more than 12000 deaths since 1947"
Showing posts with label Discrimination. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Discrimination. Show all posts
Tuesday, October 14, 2008
Thursday, October 9, 2008
Thoughts for an ignorant citizen
I got some comments from some anonymous blogger who appears to be totally at bay as far as facts are concerned. I have put in a small effort to gather critical facts for enlightening such people.
Dear Anonymous Ignorant Citizen from Jalandhar,
The reason for the sad state of Kashmir affairs today is ignorant people like you – Unaware of history, blind-eyed and deaf-eared towards present - vociferously shouting irrelevant facts.
First, you must read History of Kashmir and of your own motherland. Your grandfather might not have told you, but we were not even under British Occupation. Not even like your 500 princely states. We were an independent state when India and her 500 princely states were fighting for Independence. Do you know that even today, J&K is the only Indian state to have its own Flag, and its own set of laws? You might have never heard of Ranbir Penal Code (RPC) (and not Indian Penal Code (IPC)) that is still being followed in all courts across J&K.
After India got Independence, Nehru and Jinnah decided to divide (and thus fulfill the wishes of the British Crown, by falling to their policy of divide and rule) the great nation into India and Pakistan. About 12 million people were displaced and about 1 million killed in the aftermath of partition. However, personally I feel that millions of people who were killed till date in innumerable riots across India and Pakistan, and the Hindu-Muslim divide that exists today are primarily because of the seeds of hatred that were sown by our leaders by enacting the unique and most dreaded partition of people.
Even after the partition, Kashmir was independent. Seeing a weak neighbor with no military power, Pakistani tribesmen attacked Kashmir. Sheikh Abdullah, who was then the Prime Minister of Kashmir, had no option but to ask India for help. India agreed subject to the state of Jammu & Kashmir acceding into India.
J&K was the most peaceful country and that is the reason why it didn’t even have its own army. It was a symbol of peace. Hindus and Muslims lived in absolute harmony, just as they did in India before partition. Shiekh Abdullah, having seen the dreaded partition did not want that hatred to flow into J&K. That is the reason why he negotiated for Article 370. To insulate our motherland from the hatred that had spread across India and Pakistan, but only till such time an independent plebiscite of the State was conducted as per the UN resolution.
"Led by Britain and the United States, the U.N Security Council passed another resolution (Resolution 47) on April 21, 1948, which enlarged the membership of the UNCIP from 3 to 5 , called for cessation of hostilities between India and Pakistan, withdrawal of all Pakistani troops and tribesmen and bulk of Indian troops(except for a minimal number required for maintaining law order),allowing return of refugees, release of political prisoners and holding of a U.N supervised Plebiscite in the (Princely)State of Jammu and Kashmir to determine the aspirations of her people. The Plebiscite was to be held by a U.N appointed Plebiscite administrator. The U.N Security Council passed another resolution on June3, 1948, which reaffirmed the previous resolutions and asked the UNCIP to proceed to the "disputed areas" to carry out its mission as stated under Resolution 47 of April 21, 1948.”
“The U.N involvement in the Kashmir Conflict largely lasted for 17 years (1948-65).After the Indo-Pak war of 1965, the U.N engagement with Kashmir continued at a very nominal level till the 3rd Pakistan-India war of 1971 and completely ended with the signing of the Simla Agreement in 1972, an Indo-Pak peace agreement, which laid emphasis on adopting a bilateral framework to solve the Kashmir imbroglio and kept the U.N out of the picture afterwards.” .
Dear Anonymous Ignorant Citizen from Jalandhar,
The reason for the sad state of Kashmir affairs today is ignorant people like you – Unaware of history, blind-eyed and deaf-eared towards present - vociferously shouting irrelevant facts.
First, you must read History of Kashmir and of your own motherland. Your grandfather might not have told you, but we were not even under British Occupation. Not even like your 500 princely states. We were an independent state when India and her 500 princely states were fighting for Independence. Do you know that even today, J&K is the only Indian state to have its own Flag, and its own set of laws? You might have never heard of Ranbir Penal Code (RPC) (and not Indian Penal Code (IPC)) that is still being followed in all courts across J&K.
After India got Independence, Nehru and Jinnah decided to divide (and thus fulfill the wishes of the British Crown, by falling to their policy of divide and rule) the great nation into India and Pakistan. About 12 million people were displaced and about 1 million killed in the aftermath of partition. However, personally I feel that millions of people who were killed till date in innumerable riots across India and Pakistan, and the Hindu-Muslim divide that exists today are primarily because of the seeds of hatred that were sown by our leaders by enacting the unique and most dreaded partition of people.
Even after the partition, Kashmir was independent. Seeing a weak neighbor with no military power, Pakistani tribesmen attacked Kashmir. Sheikh Abdullah, who was then the Prime Minister of Kashmir, had no option but to ask India for help. India agreed subject to the state of Jammu & Kashmir acceding into India.
J&K was the most peaceful country and that is the reason why it didn’t even have its own army. It was a symbol of peace. Hindus and Muslims lived in absolute harmony, just as they did in India before partition. Shiekh Abdullah, having seen the dreaded partition did not want that hatred to flow into J&K. That is the reason why he negotiated for Article 370. To insulate our motherland from the hatred that had spread across India and Pakistan, but only till such time an independent plebiscite of the State was conducted as per the UN resolution.
"Led by Britain and the United States, the U.N Security Council passed another resolution (Resolution 47) on April 21, 1948, which enlarged the membership of the UNCIP from 3 to 5 , called for cessation of hostilities between India and Pakistan, withdrawal of all Pakistani troops and tribesmen and bulk of Indian troops(except for a minimal number required for maintaining law order),allowing return of refugees, release of political prisoners and holding of a U.N supervised Plebiscite in the (Princely)State of Jammu and Kashmir to determine the aspirations of her people. The Plebiscite was to be held by a U.N appointed Plebiscite administrator. The U.N Security Council passed another resolution on June3, 1948, which reaffirmed the previous resolutions and asked the UNCIP to proceed to the "disputed areas" to carry out its mission as stated under Resolution 47 of April 21, 1948.”
“The U.N involvement in the Kashmir Conflict largely lasted for 17 years (1948-65).After the Indo-Pak war of 1965, the U.N engagement with Kashmir continued at a very nominal level till the 3rd Pakistan-India war of 1971 and completely ended with the signing of the Simla Agreement in 1972, an Indo-Pak peace agreement, which laid emphasis on adopting a bilateral framework to solve the Kashmir imbroglio and kept the U.N out of the picture afterwards.” .
For more on Indian stance on Kashmir during this period click here
What had happened had happened and could not be changed. People of J&K had reconciled with the fact that they were better-off with India. (If you are meek and weak, you need a big brother). However, when our big brother started bullying us the unrest started all over again. Election rigging was the main cause of hatred against India.
"From 1953 to 1975, Chief Ministers of that State [of J&K] had been nominees of Delhi. Their appointment to that post was legitimised by the holding of farcical and totally rigged elections in which the Congress party led by Delhi's nominee was elected by huge majorities." B.K. Nehru, who was Governor of Kashmir from 1981 to 1984, in his memoirs published in 1997.
Now, that you have some background, let us come to your 1-2-3 Agenda.
1. “Stay with us, i.e. INDIA.we`ve all ways treated you like our misbehaved/rotten brothers. We`ll continue to feed you with essential commodities, food supplies, money, central packages, developmemtal work etc. ( All for our motherland HINDUSTAN)”
The fact that you have treated us like your rotten brothers is a justification enough for what is happening today in Kashmir.
2. “Fight with us, leave us and goto the Mighty Pakisthan - the country with ISLAMIC rules. ;)We would be more than happy to see our rotten brother happy. But come to think of it, how and where would you sell those apples, those shawls, those carvings, or nights at dal lake? whom? i bet pakishan with its poor poor people would be more than willing to pay.Fact: pak population 144 million.Poverty rate 35%Ref: CIA Factbook.I`m sure how big a buying power Pakistan is. BIG BIG Industrialised economy of pak. :)”
I have already said that we are weak and cannot fight India or Pakistan militarily. But whatever voices we are raising are against the ill-treatment by our elder brother.
You may like to see how our elder brother treats us:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTNBB94hDBw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gbWI8QHitA
If you have a weaker neighbor, or a brother, do you help him come up or do you stamp upon him with all your might and beat the hell out of him? As far as I have read no religion preaches that. The sad part is that we do everything in the name of religion but never bother to see what it actually preaches.
3. BE independent of INDIA & Pakistan. - This one is a real joke.If you are independent of us, then:you get no subsidised essentials, no telecom, no tax breaks, no cheap food, no cheap labour, no access to our vast capital base, no army protection, amogst others.China, a dictatorship, is more than willing to attck u, to show its superamacy in the region. Pak, with nothin to show off really, would still try n attack, to salvage pride.kashmir would be the worlds biggest terrorist school, a haven for al quidas and SIMIs..America would be more than willing to attck and invade you. The best base america can get, seeing the approxmity with CHINDIA.So, while u decide, i`ll have to get back to work, as you are my liability rite now, if i dont earn, how you get subsidised food, great rail, air, road connect, huge central packages, subsidies for haj ..etc…etc..
Some disgusted people have been raising this point these days. I am happy though that such people a small bunch - uninformed, immature and naïve.
Thoughts for you from another blogger:
“Kashmiris are happy to take the money…’ he (Vir Sanghvi)mocks. One may ask why extend special rights and billions of rupees if there is no justification for them in the normal functioning of the State of India. Or is it that these are given with an insidious intent- a purpose to appease, to numb, to help forget.”
Wednesday, October 8, 2008
Jammu & Kashmir, Population Distribution
Note: For some readers who have commented on the authenticity of the data on the table above:
The data is on the site of the Planning Commission in the J&K State Demographic Report Chapter II page No. 31 Table No. II.8. May be directly accessed by clicking here:
http://planningcommission.nic.in/plans/stateplan/sdr_jandk/sdr_jkch2.pdf
The data is on the site of the Planning Commission in the J&K State Demographic Report Chapter II page No. 31 Table No. II.8. May be directly accessed by clicking here:
http://planningcommission.nic.in/plans/stateplan/sdr_jandk/sdr_jkch2.pdf
Tuesday, October 7, 2008
Response to State Times Article
Response to a State Times Article, reproduced again on a Blog
"Statetimes, a Jammu daily reports on the selection list of CET for MBBS, BDS, BVSc this year, “Take, for example, the share of non-Muslims in MBBS select list. Out of total of 290 seats, 93 have gone to the non-Muslims, including Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists and Kashmiri Hindus. That means their share is a paltry 32 per cent. As for their share in open merit, it is 33 out of a total of 125 seats.In other words, it is just 12.5 per cent. Should it be taken to mean that non-Muslim aspirants are simply incompetent? They are not. In fact, they are exceptionally bright. Paradoxically, the share of the Muslim youth of Jammu is even less.Their number is not more than 25 and most of them have got selected under certain categories, including those belonging to the Scheduled Tribe. As for the selection of the Muslim aspirants under the open category, it is almost zero. The plight of the Muslim youth belonging to Kargil is no different. They have got only a couple of seats and that too under one category or the other”.
Discriminatory attitude is being extended at every step despite the growing resentment of the Jammu region. Any listeners?"Response:
Of the combined population of two regions, Jammu region accounts for 31% and Kashmir for 69%. So, any person with basic logic and reasoning would agree that on an equitable basis, the distribution of seats should be in the ratio of 31:69 and not 50:50.
93 out of 290 seats means 32% which is 3 seats more than the fair value of 90 (31% of 290)
Again, in open merit 33 out of 125 seats is 26.4 % and not 12.5% (Mind your numbers!!!), which are again only a few seats less than the fair value of 38.“Paradoxically, the share of the Muslim youth of Jammu is even less.”
It is no paradox, it is a logical representation of numbers. Since the population of muslims in Jammu is less, their number in the list is also less.
For seeing the real paradox, please click here
Monday, October 6, 2008
Discrimination - Myth or Reality?
Jammu | Kashmir | |
Population Lacs | 30 | 68 |
% | 31% | 69% |
Govt. Employees | 138300 | 175440 |
Fair Value | 109120 | 242880 |
Excess/(Deficit) | 29180 | (67440) |
Excess/(Deficit) % | 27% | -28% |
IAS Officers | 27 | 24 |
Fair Value | 16 | 35 |
Excess/(Deficit) | 11 | (11) |
Excess/(Deficit) % | 71% | -32% |
Chief Secretaries till | 20 | 6 |
Fair Value | 8 | 18 |
Excess/(Deficit) | 12 | (12) |
Excess/(Deficit) % | 148% | -67% |
KAS Officers | 151 | 155 |
Fair Value | 95 | 211 |
Excess/(Deficit) | 56 | (56) |
Excess/(Deficit) % | 59% | -27% |
KAS 2001 till date | 372 | 106 |
Fair Value | 148 | 330 |
Excess/(Deficit) | 224 | (224) |
Excess/(Deficit) % | 151% | -68% |
Agriculture Assistants | 1015 | 641 |
Fair Value | 513 | 1143 |
Excess/(Deficit) | 502 | (502) |
Excess/(Deficit) % | 98% | -44% |
Accounts Assistants | 334 | 95 |
Fair Value | 133 | 296 |
Excess/(Deficit) | 201 | (201) |
Excess/(Deficit) % | 151% | -68% |
Infrastructural Package | 12351 | 6448 |
Fair Value | 5828 | 12971 |
Excess/(Deficit) | 6523 | (6523) |
Excess/(Deficit) % | 112% | -50% |
Excise Refund 2006-07 (Rs. | 860 | 90 |
Fair Value | 295 | 656 |
Excess/(Deficit) | 566 | (566) |
Excess/(Deficit) % | 192% | -86% |
Sales Tax Refund 2006-07 | 360 | 40 |
Fair Value | 124 | 276 |
Excess/(Deficit) | 236 | (236) |
Excess/(Deficit) % | 190% | -86% |
Prime Ministers Gram Sadak | 2967 | 1451 |
Fair Value | 1370 | 3048 |
Excess/(Deficit) | 1597 | (1597) |
Excess/(Deficit) % | 117% | -52% |
Prime Ministers Gram Sadak | 1405 | 687 |
Fair Value | 649 | 1443 |
Excess/(Deficit) | 756 | (756) |
Excess/(Deficit) % | 117% | -52% |
DIGs | 5 | 2 |
Fair Value | 2 | 5 |
Excess/(Deficit) | 3 | (3) |
Excess/(Deficit) % | 130% | -59% |
IGPs | 5 | 4 |
Fair Value | 3 | 6 |
Excess/(Deficit) | 2 | (2) |
Excess/(Deficit) % | 79% | -36% |
SPs (KAS) | 87 | 46 |
Fair Value | 41 | 92 |
Excess/(Deficit) | 46 | (46) |
Excess/(Deficit) % | 111% | -50% |
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